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De-statize, but how?

An excerpt from ‘Of Private, Common, and Public Property and the Rationale for Total Privatization’ by Hans-Hermann Hoppe which Walter Block praises:

“This is a magnificent contribution to the libertarian edifice. It tackles an immensely important problem, a complex one, and argues on the basis of plumb line libertarianism. It is also inspiring, and rivetting. Congratulations to Hans, once again. All libertarians are greatly in his debt.”

To quote a specific section, pg. 5:

“…How is it possible that formerly unowned common streets can be privatized without thereby generating conflict with others? The short answer is that this can be done provided only that the appropriation of the street does not infringe on the previously established rights—the easements—of private-property owners to use such streets “for free.” Everyone must remain free to walk the street from house to house, through the woods, and onto the lake, just as before. Everyone retains a right-of-way, and hence no one can claim to be made worse off by the privatization of the street. Positively, in order to objectify—and validate—his claim that the formerly common street is now a private one and that he (and no one else) is its owner, the appropriator (whoever it may be) must perform some visible maintenance and repair work on and along the street.

Then, as its owner, he—and no one else—can further develop and improve the streets as he sees fit. He sets the rules and regulations concerning the use of his street so as to avoid all street conflicts. He can build a hot dog or a bratwurst stand on his road, for instance, and exclude others from doing the same; or he can prohibit loitering on his street and collect a fee for the removal of garbage. Vis-à-vis foreigners or strangers, the street owner can determine the rules of entry regarding uninvited strangers. Last but not least, as its private owner he can sell the street to someone else (with all previously established rights-of-way remaining intact).

In all of this, it is more important that a privatization takes place than what specific form it assumes.
On one end of the spectrum of possible privatizations we can imagine a single owner. A wealthy villager, for example, takes it upon himself to maintain and repair the street and thus becomes its owner. On the other end of the spectrum, we can imagine that the initial maintenance or repair of the street is the result of a genuine community effort. In that case, there is not just one owner of the street, but every community member is (initially) its equal co-owner. In the absence of a prestabilized harmony of all interest and ideas, such co-ownership requires a decision-making mechanism regarding the further development of the street. Let us assume that, as in a joint-stock company, it is the majority of the street owners that determines what to do or not to do with it.

This, i.e., majority rule, smacks of conflict, but it isn’t so in this case. Every owner who is dissatisfied with the decisions made by the majority of owners, who believes that the burdens imposed on him by the majority are greater than the benefits he can derive from his (partial) street ownership, can always and at all times drop out or “exit.” He can sell his ownership share to someone else, thus opening the possibility for the concentration of ownership titles, conceivably in a single hand, all the while retaining his original right-of-way….”

Nov 30, 201112 notes
#de-statize #strategy #privatize #libertarian #Hoppe #roads #ocean #politics #easement #homestead #text
Nov 29, 20117 notes
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Thanks for answering my question with your post on the Warlord Objection, but it didn't quite address what I was getting at. My concern was less that an anarchy would degenerate into constant war, but more that it's more susceptible to some tyranny emerging, possibly from a cult of personality, while a limited government only becomes repressive by great violence or over a long period of time. Your answer helped, but didn't fully address the concern.

G’day BooksofThought :). Such is the nature of only having one hundred odd characters to deal with. You’re right but implicit within that, the examples you describe in your question; are failed states. In no way are they an indictment of ‘anarchy’, or the concept of a free society. To better address your question:

“I am of the opinion that a minarchy (that is, a state that only has control of law, and not necessarily monopolistic law) provides a valuable service to a free and voluntary people: it prevents the emergence of a much more intrusive and repressive state.”

This is essentially Robert Nozick’s Immaculate Conception of the State.

“To conclude:

  1. no existing State has been immaculately conceived, and therefore Nozick, on his own grounds, should advocate anarchism and then wait for his State to develop;
  2. even if any State had been so conceived, individual rights are inalienable and therefore no existing State could be justified;
  3. every step of Nozick’s invisible hand process is invalid: the process is all too conscious and visible, and the risk and compensation principles are both fallacious and passports to unlimited despotism;
  4. there is no warrant, even on Nozick’s own grounds, for the dominant protective agency to outlaw procedures by independents that do not injure its own clients, and therefore it cannot arrive at an ultra-minimal state;
  5. contrary to Nozick, there are no “procedural rights,” and therefore no way to get from his theory of risk and nonproductive exchange to the compulsory monopoly of the ultra-minimal state;
  6. there is no warrant, even on Nozick’s own grounds, for the minimal state to impose taxation;
  7. there is no way, in Nozick’s theory, to justify the voting or democratic procedures of any State;
  8. Nozick’s minimal state would, on his own grounds, justify a maximal State as well; and
  9. the only “invisible hand” process, on Nozick’s own terms, would move society from his minimal State back to anarchism.

Thus, the most important attempt in this century to rebut a private law society and to justify the State fails totally and in each of its parts.”

You mention no monopoly of law, then it’s not a state… and if it’s competing with others which are voluntarily funded via contract, then you’re at a free market in security & defense and provision of law: you’re a voluntarist, anarcho-capitalist, supporter of private law. Otherwise, your claim begs the question - how does it prevent the emergence of a much more intrusive and repressive state?

If you keep a minarchy on a leash, it’ll be a lot harder to get people on board with any would-be kingdom or dictatorship, as there will be no “power vacuum” to fill, as many historical examples of anarchy have had (think Afghanistan between the Soviets leaving and the Taliban taking over, or England between the death of Charles I and the restoration of the monarchy).

Limited government, minarchy is utopian. As mentioned earlier, the countries set up as examples - are examples of failed states. As you note, monopolies are bad. Only the market provides real checks and balances. For those that are poor, services are provided - like they are now, done via the market.

In regards to the “power vacuum”, what vacuum? Only such a vacuum exists when the state is taken as granted and eternal. It’s not, and is the antithesis of liberty. Here is an actual historical example that makes the case.

In regards to how would private law work, both Hoppe and Murphy deal with it quite well.

In response to:

“it’s more susceptible to some tyranny emerging, possibly from a cult of personality, while a limited government only becomes repressive by great violence or over a long period of time.”

You’ll have to walk me through the logic with this one. To a large degree it begs the question. Because isn’t it exactly the opposite. Hasn’t America experienced: The Articles of Confederation -> U.S Constitution -> World Empire… and didn’t we see a cult of personality in Barack Obama during the last election?

Nov 29, 20113 notes
#response #ask
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For some twenty centuries Western man has come to accept the Aristotelian theory that the sensible position is between any two extremes, known politically today as the “middle-of-the-road” position. Now, if libertarians use the terms “left” and “right,” they announce themselves to be extreme right by virtue of being extremely distant in their beliefs from communism. But “right” has been successfully identified with fascism. Therefore, more and more persons are led to believe that the sound position is somewhere between communism and fascism, both spelling authoritarianism.

The golden-mean theory cannot properly be applied indiscriminately. For instance, it is sound enough when deciding between no food at all on the one hand or gluttony on the other hand. But it is patently unsound when deciding between stealing nothing or stealing $1,000. The golden mean would commend stealing $500. Thus, the golden mean has no more soundness when applied to communism and fascism (two names for the same thing) than it does to two amounts in theft.” […]

Libertarians reject this principle and in so doing are not to the right or left of authoritarians. They, as the human spirit they would free, ascend—are above—this degradation. Their position, if directional analogies are to be used, is up—in the sense that vapor from a muckheap rises to a wholesome atmosphere. If the idea of extremity is to be applied to a libertarian, let it be based on how extremely well he has shed himself of authoritarian beliefs.

Establish this concept of emerging, of freeing — which is the meaning of libertarianism—and the golden – mean or “middle-of-the-road” theory becomes inapplicable. For there can be no halfway position between zero and infinity. It is absurd to suggest that there can be.

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—Leonard E. Read, Neither left nor right
Nov 28, 201134 notes
#libertarian #quote #libertarianism #politics #left wing #right wing #republican #gop #democrat #ron paul #leonard read #philosophy #quotes
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Nov 27, 20114 notes
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Would you ask HHH whether he still thinks immigration should not be free? He says that the State should restrict immigration because it is the institution that governs the so called public property and accordingly should use it in the most effective way in concert with the interest of the public. The proposition that the State can effectively manage the "public property" is a contradiction in terms. State policies on immigration (or whatever the issue) can't represent the interest of the public.

Hello, unfortunately I’ve seen this too late. I have no idea where you came to the above conclusion, so I’d ask you to quote said source and back up your assertion. In any respect, I think you are mistaken, and to be charitable, it sounds more like a Stephan Kinsella type argument, not one from Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

The whole issue is often an argument over seconds bests, that is why there is no libertarian ‘solution’ to it whilst the state exists. I hope that helps :).

Nov 27, 20111 note
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Nov 27, 201113 notes
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Nov 26, 20111,021 notes
#individualism #like a boss #not a lemming #image #photo #gpoy #personal
“I am reminded of a talk given by Frank Chodorov many decades ago. Chodorov was being very critical of government welfare programs in general, and was asked by a listener: “but what will happen to sick, elderly people?” Chodorov replied: “they’ll be left to die in the streets the way they used to.” The listener retorted: “when did that ever take place?,” to which Chodorov answered: “exactly”.” —Butler Shaffer
Nov 25, 2011114 notes
#welfare #poor #Frank Chodorov #Libertarian #queue deluded attempts to prove such a notion #quotes
Lunch with Hans-Hermann Hoppe

Topics discussed: Abortion, Ron Paul, Fallabistic apriorism, strategy (microsecession), seasteading, Mont Perelin Society, Gerad Raditzgy, Popper, Murray Rothbard, Friedman, Reason and Analysis, Wittgenstein. Dinner and another day to go. Send us your questions if you want.

Nov 24, 20114 notes
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Nov 24, 2011
#Dressed as a Hippy edition #gpoy #peace ya'll #me #image #photo
“But how could a poor person afford private protection he would have to pay for instead of getting free protection, as he does now?” There are several answers to this question, one of the most common criticisms of the idea of totally private police protection. One is: that this problem of course applies to any commodity or service in the libertarian society, not just the police. But isn’t protection necessary? Perhaps, but then so is food of many different kinds, clothing, shelter, etc. Surely these are at least as vital if not more so than police protection, and yet almost nobody says that therefore the government must nationalize food, clothing, shelter, etc., and supply these free as a compulsory monopoly. Very poor people would be supplied, in general, by private charity, as we saw in our chapter on welfare. Furthermore, in the specific case of police there would undoubtedly be ways of voluntarily supplying free police protection to the indigent — either by the police companies themselves for goodwill (as hospitals and doctors do now) or by special “police aid” societies that would do work similar to “legal aid” societies [p. 220] today. (Legal aid societies voluntarily supply free legal counsel to the indigent in trouble with the authorities).” —Murray Rothbard, For A New Liberty, p. 215.
Nov 23, 20111 note
#For A New Liberty #Rothbard #anarcho-capitalism #anti-statism #free market #libertarian #politics #voluntarism #your arguments for minarchism fail #hipsterlibertarian #quotes #poor #poverty #law #private law
“In 1793, William Godwin wrote that “To dragoon man into the adoption of what we think right, is an intolerable tyranny.” Godwin asserted that the advocate of aggression is in a logically precarious position. Aggression does not convince, nor is it any kind of argument at all. The initiation of coercion is “a tacit confession of imbecility. If he who employs aggression against me could mould me to his purposes by argument, no doubt he would. He pretends to punish me, because his argument is strong; but he really punishes me because he is weak.” —Carl Watner, The Logic of Anarchy, The Libertarian Forum 1983.
Nov 22, 201120 notes
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Nov 21, 20119 notes
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How many books would you estimate that you own?

Haha, that’s a tough question. I just counted about 120 on the ‘good’ bookshelf just shown, with a few behind others. I kind of categorised them, maybe you noticed. From top to bottom:

  • Economic History -> Economics.
  • Philosophy -> Political Philosophy (libertarianism)
  • Personal Ethics | Classical Literature | Dystopia  
  • History -> Australian History

The other book shelf is on the other-side of my bed. It contains a fair bit more books, mostly misc and fiction.

  • Isaac Asimov books (eg. Bicentennial Man)
  • A whole lot of anti-war books, with some classics | Military History.
  • Adventure, Sport | Robert Ludlum books (eg. Bourne Identity) | Matthew Reilly books
  • Andy McNab books | University books

I had a book buying binge when I first got into liberty via RP back in 2008. Later on, I was pretty lucky, a guy from the Mises Institute forums had to move, and was getting rid of all his books (that, I couldn’t understand..) Anyway, he basically had a fire sale and I picked up as much as I could for a ridiculous price per book ($5 USD). Transport costs weren’t cool, but it was worth it :).

As for the others, either: birthday gifts, won them, ‘borrowed’ from my fathers collection, or picked up from second hand book stores. I’ve still got a lot to read, haha. I’ll finish them all eventually. So in my room probably around 250-300, which it doesn’t look like, but that definitely does sound obscene. I guess I like feeling surrounded by knowledge? lol

Nov 21, 20113 notes
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Nov 21, 201119 notes
#austrian economics #books #libertarian #literature #one of my bookshelves #philosophy #personal #image #photo
“If the government is granted a monopoly on the use of force to achieve these goals, history shows that that power is always abused. Every single time.” —Ron Paul, Liberty Defined, XV.
Nov 20, 201172 notes
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  • Rothbard: My conversion to anarchism was a simple exercise in logic. I had engaged continually in friendly arguments about laissez-faire with liberal friends from graduate school. While condemning taxation, I had still felt that taxation was required for the provision of police and judicial protection and for that only. One night two friends and I had one of our usual lengthy discussions, seemingly unprofitable; but this time when they’d left, I felt that for once something vital had actually been said. As I thought back on the discussion, I realized that my friends, as liberals, had posed the following challenge to my laissez-faire position:
  • They: What is the legitimate basis for your laissez-faire government, for this political entity confined solely to defending person and property?
  • Rothbard: Well, the people get together and decide to establish such a government.
  • They: But if “the people” can do that, why can’t they do exactly the same thing and get together to choose a government that will build steel plants, dams, etc.?
  • Rothbard: I realized in a flash that their logic was impeccable, that laissez-faire was logically untenable, and that either I had to become a liberal, or move onward into anarchism. I became an anarchist.
Nov 19, 2011113 notes
#Anarcho-capitalism #Rothbard #Voluntarism #anarchy #betrayal of the american right #laissez-faire #liberal #libertarian #minarchy #classical liberal #conservative
Nov 18, 201196 notes
#Stephan Kinsella #Calvin and Hobbes #Ethics #Philosophy #Libertarian #Nihilism #Might #Right #image #photo
Mises Seminar — Australia | Libertarian Standard → libertarianstandard.com

On the 25-26th of November, a watershed moment in the history of Australian liberty will be occurring in Sydney: the Australian Mises Seminar. Over the past year we have collaborated with the best and brightest representatives of Austrian economics and libertarianism in Australia to bring you this incredible weekend.

The lead speaker at the event Hans-Hermann Hoppe. The event looks like it will be fantastic and soundly rooted in principled Rothbardian libertarian and Misesian-Rothbardian Austrian economics.

What really impressed me was the beautiful 108 page programme they produced (yes, 108 pages). It’s full of nice pictures and illustrations of Mises, Rothbard, and others, inspiring quotes, and an overview of the seminar. The main reason for its length, however is that it contains “Pre-Seminar Reading”. I’ve never seen this in a programme before but it’s a great idea (and possibly only because the material they drew from was from sources that do not lock down the content using state copyright law). As the programme explains:

The readings help provide a basic foundation and understanding of the core principles used to analyse the more complex issues that will be under discussion at the seminar. They will help you follow the overall themes and make informed contributions should you choose to do so. As a result, everyone gets more from attending the seminar.

The overview section first contains an article entitled A Primer on Austrian Economics by Jonathan M. Finegold Catalan which gives a brief summary of the school of thought, its history and contributions. The fundamental difference between advocates of the Austrian school and the rest of the economics profession is methodology. The second chapter of Hans-Hermann Hoppe’s book Economic Science and the Austrian Method, is On Praxeology and the Praxeological Foundation of Epistemology. This enthralling exposition highlights Mises insights and makes the case for praxeology as the ultimate foundation of all knowledge. Anatomy of the State by Murray N. Rothbard exemplifies the case as to what the state is, what it is not and why its existence should be lamented. What Libertarianism Is by Stephan Kinsella clarifies what separates libertarianism from other political philosophies.

The programme may be downloaded here. - Stephan Kinsella.

**I had a lot of fun putting the pdf together. Feedback welcome. We’ve got a professional recording organised, so you’ll be able to check out the lectures later on. Also in talks with A-PAC.tv (Cspan) to get it on air afterwards.

Nov 17, 20117 notes
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